SOME ASK FOR PROOF OF TIME TRAVEL... THIS IS WHAT I HAD TO OFFER. READ AS IT HAS TRANSPIRED (AS OF 7.6.02) FROM A FORUM WELL KNOWN FraterO0  (THAT'S ME) Member posted July 03, 2002 10:44 Darby wrote, "How is this done? That is, how is creating an exact duplicate accomplished? The problem of "exact duplicates" is central to Special Relativity." It's all done in the Temple I work in. I'm not a scientist, but I am a Magus. You'd be amazed at the stuff I could do in Ritual. Exactly how the 'mechanics' of it can be explained...I have really *no clue*. I won't lie to you. Heck, I could go copy-n-paste a bunch of stuff off the web, but I won't. Honesty is best here. The Mind is the best machine we will ever own. And, that...is Truth. ---------------------------------------------------------- Darby Moderator posted July 04, 2002 02:43 Frater, I'll offer you the same task as offered to Zikan on his thread, "Time Travel". Whether etheric or physical, information gained on a TT venture is still information. Care to take up the gauntlet and offer up the NY Times Online 6-July articles by 10:00 on the 4th? As I told Zikan, there's no need to explain how it was done just so long as it is done and accurate (verbatim). T ---------------------------------------------------------- FraterO0 Member posted July 04, 2002 10:37 What's in it for me? What do I win? Respect? Those who choose not to believe, would never believe no matter how accurate I call it. Believe this or not, I get an average of 35-50 E-Mails daily, mostly from people whose respect I 'already earned' and consider me credible. Besides -I've contributed enough already to cyberspace. So...Nahhhh, that's okay, I'll pass. If I had a personal motive, *WILL*, it be no problem,,,but I don't, so I won't. Thanks for the offer though. ***But hey, please don't lump me together with them 'Zeta' flakes. Even I have to draw the line somewhere. Cheers, Mike, (with nothing to prove) ---------------------------------------------------------- Darby Moderator posted July 05, 2002 18:34 Frater, Unfortunately that's exactly the reply that I expected. What's in it for you? I don't know - nothing, I presume. Though I assume that being believed has to be at least some small part of the motivition for any proclaimed TT's postings. This board's existence is based on the exploration of time travel. We've called for time travelers to step up to the dish and knock our socks off. Many have been called - none have chosen to serve. I asked the original question of you in the same form that I have asked each proclaimed time traveler who has come after John Titor. They've all made their claim but when asked to perform a simple and innocuous task they have offered a polite back door exit. I suppose that one difference between Titor and those who have followed is that Titor said right up front, "I don't care if you believe me." He went on to say that he preferred that he wasn't believed. The offer still stands - only the dates need be changed. I guess that a valid question for you would be: What is it that we should take from your story that sets it apart from the general class of "I am a Time Traveler" stories and makes it any more plausible than the rest? [ July 05, 2002, 18:36: Message edited by: Darby ] ---------------------------------------------------------- FraterO0 Member posted July 05, 2002 19:02 I may have a way to 'prove' something. If you lived around my local area, I could easily take you in an experiment and show you. However, this being cyberspace, I still maybe able to. I hinted to this once before in a prior post about 90 degree angles. I can reach out to a person, depending on how 'attuned' they are. I take a risk, though, because karmically, if I 'tweak you', and something goes wrong, like you suffer a nervous breakdown, it's bad for me. But if you are interested in a cyberspace partial demonstration, I will work along with anybody who is daring enough. Basically, it goes like this. We both log on sametime. The other person and myself will be on a chat program, sametime. I will tweak up the other person's electro-magnetic field, and start doing a process to them that fails to be put in words. Basically, you will feel energy rising upwards, and you may get dizzy, colors and sound distortion...and then, from there,,,who knows? Anybody up to the challenge? It will be my choice who I pick, as I get to know them in a general sense. Being most of my conversations on this board ranged between you Darby and me, I would think it be you. One current picture of the person is necessary, preferably showing front face and torso. I'll do the rest. Sounds deceiving, but don't take it lightly. Again, I won't claim responsibility if something goes wrong. Let me know. Can't say I didn't try, right? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------- Darby Moderator posted July 05, 2002 22:31 Frater, One thing to take into consideration in the experimental design that you proposed is "subject prejudice". By revealing the expected result to the target audience you've soured the experiment. You have no control by which to filter out "effect", "noise" or "placebo effect." If the experimentee knows what you expect as a result they will either try to help you (false positive) or resist you (false negative) even if its at the subconscious level. See the thread "Cargo Cult Science" for a review of experimental design. Please don't take this post to mean that I doubt the sincerity of your offer. I don't. I believe that your offer is honest - it's just the experimental design that is faulty. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------- FraterO0 Member posted July 06, 2002 10:20 Darby, Oh no, you have no clue what will transpire. LOL, I don't either! What I mentioned are just the side effects, i.e., symptoms of the operation itself. I haven't revealed anything about the 'actual result'. Reason being, I myself can't guarantee what may happen, thus my claim of 'no responsibility'. If you want proof, then I can give it. Now the ball is in your corner. I am trying my friend. You may never get this chance again, from anyone, from anywhere. Remember, I never said I was a 'time traveler'. I am a Magus who can perform 'time travel', just like I can do healing, and 'other stuff' Again, I leave the ball in your corner... Mike ---------------------------------------------------------- Darby Moderator posted July 06, 2002 18:29 Frater, I'm not saying that I know what will transpire. But you stated an effect that you expect or have witnessed in the past. In any case, this board is about time travel and not general magic with a time travel possibility as a side issue. I offered a time travel experiment, which is on topic. Because I've made no claim one way or the other as to what I can or can't do, I have no ball and no court for the ball to roll upon. The topic is Time Travel. ---------------------------------------------------------- Darby Moderator posted July 06, 2002 20:08 Hmmm..it seems that the thread is being hijacked to another site. I'm locking the thread and opening a new Disguise of Time thread. COntinue the discussion on that thread while I confer with the System Administrator re. pirating of the thread. OK - I've locked the original thread. It seems that Mr. Frater has taken it upon himself to link his web page to that thread. Every post is instantly dumped onto his web site. Olav, Rick & I are not here to promote his web site. If he wants to paraphrase posts from _***_ on his board that's quite alright. Hijacking the entire thread isn't. I think that I detect a troll here. You folks can continue the original thread here. [ July 06, 2002, 20:01: Message edited by: Darby ] ********************************************** AFTERWARD 7.7.02 Seems sort of childish...doesn't it? The man asked for proof...I was courteous, and was willing to provide 'proof'. DARBY FEARED I WOULD OF PROVIDED THE PROOF, AND HE SKATES AROUND THE ISSUE. Darby felt he had no choice other than trying to 'black-ball' me, and try to ruin my credibility by calling me a 'Troll' and saying I hijacked the 'Thread'. PIRATE? lol! I hijacked nothing. I copied a portion of the thread to show how the debate went. That is a public message board, and half the posts were mine anyway. I did some checking up on Darby and I believe him to be a DISINFO. GOVERNMENT AGENT. By Darby's own admission he said he works for the government because he could use a .gov extension on his 'work' E-Mail. I post this to WARN others about becoming too 'friendly' with Darby. You maybe putting yourself in jeopardy.  Darby does NOT really want proof. He wants to try and discredit those who CAN PROVIDE PROOF. That's the reason I put the Thread here, so he couldn't make it 'disappear' like he had done in the past. Well Folks, I Tried. I have been approached and asked to prove myself. I offered to do just that. When it came to "Put Up or Shut Up"... *I PUT UP* NOBODY ELSE SOUGHT TO 'FOLLOW THROUGH' THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FOR ME TO SAY IF THEY WON'T COMPLY. I STAND VINDICATED. -END OF STORY-

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